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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:34 pm | Updated: 10:06 pm, Fri Mar 1, 2013.

YUCCA VALLEY — Three new traffic lights are under construction on Yucca Trail and Twentynine Palms Highway.

The Wal-Mart corporation is paying for two of the signals: the ones on Yucca Trail at Palomar Avenue and at Joshua Lane. The company will pay for another traffic signal on the highway at Inca Trail.

The corporation is paying for the traffic improvements in accordance with its conditions of approval and environmental requirements for the new Supercenter.

Also slated for installation this year are two more lights on the highway, one at Dumosa Avenue and another at Church Street. Those will be part of a Caltrans project. Design on the Dumosa light is expected to start within the next 90 days.

Road work has already begun on Yucca Trail at Joshua Lane and at Palomar Avenue.

“What you’re seeing … is traffic improvements Super Wal-Mart has to make,” Deputy Town Manager Shane Stueckle said Tuesday. “We have not seen the precise construction schedule yet, but they all have to be operational prior to the opening of the store.”

Stueckle said the three new lights required of Wal-Mart will be paid for entirely by the company. He estimated the signals and poles cost between $200,000 to $250,000 each, not including median or other road improvements that sometimes have to be made.

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  • hoosierhen54 posted at 10:17 pm on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

    hoosierhen54 Posts: 23

    I really don't see so many people flocking to Super Walmart at the same time in the first place.Just because a store is larger doesn't mean incomes are. However, I can see where the postal vehicles leaving out and entering their own side lot would benefit from some sort of relief.

  • Dave Peach posted at 9:52 am on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

    Dave Peach Posts: 2998

    "Road work has already begun on Yucca Trail at Joshua Lane."

    Only by providing the local cult leader with a remote switch to reduce the need to stop briefly near the post office could any justification become imagined. Sitting at stoplights for no good reason isn't consistent with any form of progress.

    Somebody reaping undue profits from the town manager's obstructions is obviously applicable, as has been confirmed regarding many, or rather all, of his other unnecessary and expensive impositions.

  • CactusRat posted at 10:33 pm on Thu, Mar 7, 2013.

    CactusRat Posts: 58

    I suggest Yucca install 20 new traffic lights. Put them anywhere.. randomly, just to annoy drivers!

  • ManBoutTown posted at 10:11 am on Wed, Mar 6, 2013.

    ManBoutTown Posts: 14

    Growing up at that end of town, have no clue where for the need or wasteful spending. Address the grade - the corridor of death. That wall placed there is in the wrong spot!
    gotta love More lights! not.

  • mokk1 posted at 2:12 pm on Fri, Mar 1, 2013.

    mokk1 Posts: 290

    OheMGee, and you know I have to be perturbed to use an acronym like that.

  • areyoukiddingme posted at 8:29 am on Thu, Feb 28, 2013.

    areyoukiddingme Posts: 23

    Tom - Not sure I totally understand, but how many accidents, minor and major, have happened at Palomar/Yucca Tr and Joshua Lane/Yucca Tr? I don't know but I believe the fact is that most people know they have to stop no matter what. Traffic is not that horrendous at those intersections to warrant signals. I do know that the traffic at Airway/Hwy 62 has gotten much worse. I can't even turn going into or coming out of Vons parking lot because cars block the driveway. I am not discounting your stats or anything like that, but there has to be a middle ground somewhere.

    Bob - I agree with you on the left turn light situation for La Contenta. I am not balking about that at all. That intersection along with Balsa/Hwy 62 have been one of the worst intersections before receiving signals. But this does beg the question... Why did CalTrans/Town say they could not install protected left turn light at Joshua Lane/Hwy 62 in prior to doing so? Why did medians have to be installed on Joshua Lane? Last time I checked that was not Caltrans R/W. If the reason why the protected left turn signals were installed was because medians were required, then why not on La Contenta, Balsa, (South of Hwy & Hwy), and Airway? Things are not consistent. Is there a big highway renovation project CalTrans is supposed to in the near future?

    RET - I totally agree with you on the speed limit on Palomar, but take a look at Warren Vista too the speed limit on that is 40 I believe. Then take a look at Deer Tr from Onaga to Hwy 62 and Hanford Ave. to Hwy 62, those speed limits are at 25. Now from what I remember, all those streets are labeled as collectors which means the speed limit could be 40-50 mph? Then why did Deer and Hanford get lower limits? I remember being told long ago that certain "officials" lived on those streets and that the speed limits were brought down to residential speed limits. I agree whole heartedly with you, speed limits through our residential areas need to be 25 - 35 period.

    I believe my bigger concern is that the much more dire infrastructure needed is not being addressed, i.e. drainage, sidewalks, etc... and the longer these get ignored the higher the price tag will be. Look at the big debacle called the Sewer Project in Yucca Valley. Can't wait to see how much more this is going to cost all of us once it is finally complete 15-20 years from now.

  • RET posted at 7:45 am on Thu, Feb 28, 2013.

    RET Posts: 167

    How about lowering the speed limit on Palomar from the new signal at Yucca Trail to Onaga from the current 50 MPH to 25-35 MPH so we people that live on Palomar can get into and out of our driveways. We have had many near accidents trying to do so. Some speed enforcement on Palomar would also help. It is a real racetrack at certain times of the day and when the bars close at night. This is a Residential area. I also think that once the signal is installed we will see a greater number of rear end accidents as our local speed demons trying to break the sound barrier come out of the blind curve and encounter traffic backed up at the signal.

  • Bob Mateski posted at 11:48 pm on Wed, Feb 27, 2013.

    Bob Mateski Posts: 302

    areyoukiddingme - If they had done the right thing when installing the light at LaContenta and Hwy. 62 they would have installed left turn signals, my brother Joe died in a motorcycle wreck on 11-24-07 at that intersection.
    If left turn lights had been installed in the beginning of the construction there, he would probably still be alive today. Joe was traveling south on Yucca Mesa / LaContenta and went into a low dip where he could not be seen before coming into the intersection and continuing south.
    A pickup truck turned left and ran right into him knocking him off the motorcycle and dragging the bike for 131 feet before coming to a stop.
    Another person was killed in that same intersection a few years later, he was known for building beautiful birdhouses during his retirement.
    The speed limit is 55 southbound on Yucca Mesa and has one sign slowing you down to 45 about 100 yards before you get to the intersection, they should have another sign slowing you down to 30 before you get to that low dip in the road.
    There have been numerous other accidents at that intersection resulting in serious injuries, it is time for someone to revisit that intersection and make some life saving improvments before another person dies there.

  • Tom in Joshua Tree posted at 6:41 pm on Wed, Feb 27, 2013.

    Tom in Joshua Tree Posts: 21

    As a long time traffic accident investigator, and someone who feels like it should be known, controlled intersections are the most dangerous of all traffic control situations. A common understanding is that accidents happen at higher speeds in controlled intersections. People trust that GREEN LIGHT! Well, that's the gamble.... A rule of thumb in statistics is... at every controlled intersection there an average of one major accident with injuries per year. A fatal accident can be expected every five years. There is an accident reporting system that documents traffic accidents state wide know as SWITRS. That stands for statewide integrated traffic reporting system. Through a little investigation, the info is all there. It's not a complete rule, but given the history of the 29 Palms Highway, who knows? Five new lights? do the math..... In ten years we can look back and determine the true cost of low prices?

  • areyoukiddingme posted at 8:07 am on Wed, Feb 27, 2013.

    areyoukiddingme Posts: 23

    Really? 5 MORE traffic signals? Just what this town needs. More congestion and more opportunities to run red lights. I remember when there were only 3 lights in town and that was pretty sufficient. However I do understand the needs for a few more of them that were put in, i.e. (Balsa/Hwy 62, Kickapoo/Hwy 62, and La Contenta/Hwy 62), but to put them on Yucca Trail is absurd. As if we didn't have problems with people turning left out of the post office onto Yucca Trail before. Pretty soon Hwy 62 will be like Pueblo Trail except only with stop lights at each and every intersection. I understand that CalTrans is also a driving factor on stoplights on Hwy 62. Also, while they are at it, maybe the Town/CalTrans should fix the detector loops on Hwy 62 @ Airway. I have seen so many people run this light sitting behind them because the loops did not pick up vehicles correctly.

    If the town would have really thought about this, the Town should have had Super WalMart put in sidewalks from the Post office along Yucca Trail to Palomar Avenue, down Palomar Avenue to Super WalMart, with the price of gas being so high I don't think that is far off, but then you'll have issues with stolen/abandoned shopping carts all over Yucca. What this Town needs is more sidewalks and drainage improvements then $150,000 traffic signals.


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