“I was concerned by the call. (When President Trump called the President of Ukraine) I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen.” — Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, U.S. Army, who testified as to the July 25th phone call.

Now he’s being called a possible spy and that he had allegiance to a foreign country and is not a patriot. Really? He has a Purple Heart and still carries shrapnel from an I.E.D. in Iraq.

For those of us who have served our country in the military, how dare anyone, especially those who have never served, smear the honor of one who has?

Folks, Donald J. Trump is a real threat to our democracy, and to this he thanks the Russians before thanking our troops in the raid to kill or capture Al Bhagdahi. Shame, shame. 

When we add this to the Mueller report, and its alleged Russian conspiracy, payments to porn stars and models and various rape and sexual assault charges, when is it going to be enough to see the real person hiding behind all of his fabricated truth? Does he deserve to be the president of the United States of America? I ask you.

Forget the term “quid pro quo,” for what we are really talking about is extortion.

The president, while acting like a mob boss, threatened the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine when she didn’t “play ball” by allowing Guiliani and friends to get their hands on Ukrainian gas money. Using extortion to get something that you want from others is against the law. 

As for me, I want a law-abiding president and an administration, don’t you?

 

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Mike

Hi Stephen:

I’m sure you’ve heard old adage “You’re entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts”. Here is the actual call in which you claim Trump demanded that Ukraine investigate a US citizen. Would you be so kind as to show us where he does that? I don’t see where either President makes any demands at all.

The President: Congratulations on a great victory. We all watched from the United States and you did a terrific job. The way you came from behind, somebody who wasn’t given much of a chance, and you ended up winning easily. It’s a fantastic achievement. Congratulations.

President Zelenskyy: You are absolutely right Mr. President. We did win big and we worked hard for this. We worked a lot but I would like to confess to you that I had an opportunity to learn from you. We used quite a few of your skills and knowledge and were able to use it as an example for our elections and yes it is true that these were unique elections. We were in a unique situation that we were able to achieve a unique success. I’m able to tell you the following; the first time, you called me to congratulate me when I won my presidential election, and the second time you are now calling me when my party won the parliamentary election. I think I should run more often so you can call me more often and we can talk over the phone more often.

The President: [laughter] That’s a very good idea. I think your country is very happy about that.

President Zelenskyy: Well yes, to tell you the truth, we are trying to work hard because we wanted to drain the swamp here in our country. We brought in many many new people. Not the old politicians, not the typical politicians, because we want to have a new format and a new type of government. You are a great teacher for us and in that.

The President: Well it’s very nice of you to say that. I will say that we do a lot for Ukraine. We spend a lot of effort and a lot of time. Much more than the European countries are doing and they should be helping you more than they are. Germany does almost nothing for you. All they do is talk and I think it’s something that you should really ask them about. When I was speaking to Angela Merkel she talks Ukraine, but she doesn’t do anything. A lot of the European countries are the same way so I think it’s something you want to look at but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine. I wouldn’t say that it’s reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine.

President Zelenskyy: Yes you are absolutely right. Not only. 100%, but actually 1000% and I can tell you the following; I did talk to Angela Merkel and I did meet with her. I also met and talked with Macron and I told them that they are not doing quite as much as they need to be doing on the issues with the sanctions. They are not enforcing the sanctions. They are not working as much as they should work for Ukraine. It turns out that even though logically, the European Union should be our biggest partner but technically the United States is a much bigger partner than the European Union and I’m very grateful to you for that because the United States is doing quite a lot for Ukraine. Much more than the European Union especially when we are talking about sanctions against the Russian Federation. I would also like to thank you for your great support in the area of defense. We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps. specifically we are almost ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.

The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you’re surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it’s very important that you do it if that’s possible.

President Zelenskyy: Yes it is very important for me and everything that you just mentioned earlier. For me as a President, it is very important and we are open for any future cooperation. We are ready to open a new page on cooperation in relations between the United States and Ukraine. For that. purpose, I just recalled our ambassador from United States and he will be replaced by a very competent and very experienced ambassador who will work hard on making sure that our two nations are getting closer. I would also like and hope to see him having your trust and your confidence and have personal relations with you so we can cooperate even more so. I will personally tell you that one of my assistants spoke with Mr. Giuliani just recently and we are hoping very much that Mr. Giuliani will be able to travel to Ukraine and we will meet once he comes to Ukraine. I just wanted to assure you once again that you have nobody but friends around us. I will make sure that I surround myself with the best and most experienced people. I also wanted to tell you that we are friends. We are great friends and you Mr. President have, friends in our country so we can continue our strategic partnership. I also plan to surround myself with great people and in addition to that investigation, I guarantee as the President of Ukraine that all the investigations will be done openly and candidly. That I can assure you.

The President: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that’s really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what’s happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, There’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me.

President Zelenskyy: I wanted to tell you about the prosecutor. First of all I understand and I’m knowledgeable about the situation. Since we have won the absolute majority in our Parliament, the next prosecutor general will be 100% my person, my candidate, who will be approved by the parliament and will start as a new prosecutor in September. He or she will look into the situation, specifically to the company that you mentioned in this issue. The issue of the investigation of the case is actually the issue of making sure to restore the honesty so we will take care of that and will work on the investigation of the case. On top of that, I would kindly ask you if you have any additional information that you can provide to us, it would be very helpful for the investigation to make sure that we administer justice in our country with regard to the Ambassador to the United States from Ukraine as far as I recall her name was Ivanovich. It was great that you were the first one, who told me that she was a bad ambassador because I agree with you 100%. Her attitude towards me was far from the best as she admired the previous President and she was on his side. She would not accept me as a new President: well enough.

The President: Well, she’s going to go through some things. I will have Mr. Giuliani give you a call and I am also going to have Attorney General Barr call and we will get to the bottom of it. I’m sure you will figure it out. I heard the prosecutor was treated very badly and he was a very fair prosecutor so good luck with everything. Your economy is going to get better and better I predict. You have a lot of assets. It’s a great country. I have many Ukrainian friends, their incredible people.

President Zelenskyy: I would like to tell you that I also have quite a few Ukrainian friends that live in the United States. Actually last time I traveled to the United States, I stayed in New York near Central Park and I stayed at the Trump Tower. I will talk to them and I hope to see them again in the future. I also wanted to thank you for your invitation to visit the United States, specifically Washington DC. On the other hand, I also want to ensure you that we will be very serious about the case and will work on the investigation. As to the economy, there is much potential for our two countries and one of the issues that is very important for Ukraine is energy independence. I believe we can be very successful and cooperating on energy independence with United States. We are already working on cooperation. We are buying American oil but I am very hopeful for a future meeting. We will have more time and more opportunities to discuss these opportunities and get to know each other better. I would like to thank you very much for your support.

The President: Good. Well, thank you very much and I appreciate that. I will tell Rudy and Attorney General Barr to call. Thank you. Whenever you would like to come to the White House, feel free to call. Give us a date and we’ll work that out. I look forward to seeing you.

President Zelenskyy: Thank you very much. I would be very happy to come and would be happy to meet with you personally and get to know you better. I am looking forward to our meeting and I also would like to invite you to visit Ukraine and come to the city of Kyiv which is a beautiful city. We have a beautiful country which would welcome you. On the other hand, I believe that on September 1 we will be in Poland and we can meet in Poland hopefully. After that, it might be a very good idea for you to travel to Ukraine. We can either take my plane and go to Ukraine or we can take your plane, which is probably much better than mine.

The President: Okay, we can work that out. I look forward to seeing you in Washington and maybe in Poland because I think we are going to be there at that time.

President Zelenskyy: Thank you very much Mr. President.

The President: Congratulations on a fantastic job you’ve done. The whole world was watching. I’m not sure it was so much of an upset but congratulations.

President Zelenskyy: Thank you Mr. President bye-bye.

Demand - an insistent and peremptory request, made as if by right. But the term sometimes helps the spin.

Maybe you’ve had enough blue Cool-Aid for a while, partner?

idavidgraficks

First of all, that's not the complete phone call transcription. There's more as witnessed by a direct witness to the phone call. The above transcription was supplied by the WhiteHouse which has been known to less than truthful.

In the above transscription...

President Zelenskyy: "... in the area of defense. We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps. specifically we are almost ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes."

The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike...

There's the smoking gun and there's more. It's been removed by the WhiteHouse. There's plenty more information to expose this as outright extortion.

Josh

That was waaaaaaaaay to long .

mischabi

Thank You Mike. So many so brainwashed. It's all about getting educated. What is really happening? Our country is being cleansed, or rather, gutted of all the political hackery and criminal endeavors of these mafia types running us into believing communism is the answer. These Power-types, like Pelosi, and her now governor nephew Gavin Newson raking in millions into their overseas bank accounts. I am nobody and only use a fraction of my brain, but I am smart enough to read and resource infirmation. Anti-Trumpers are oblivious to what is happening in countries like Sweeden, and France, Honk Kong, and Venezuela and many many more that we don't hear about, and are comfortably nested in their democrat party loyalty. As if they don't know that greed and power are two of the greatest forces of evil. Go to YouTube and find Joe M's The Plan to Save the World.

STOP INGESTING THEIR KOOL-AID PEOPLE!

Mike

My apologies Stephen! I misread and mistakenly attributed Col. Vindman’s comment to you.

I hope you found my posting of the conversation helpful nonetheless.

Branson Hunter

Yes it was a perfect phone call. Prosecutors lawyers and law students love it because it's the perfect case for impeachment. United States law and case law are squarely on the side of impeachment. Give it a few weeks and Trump's history wll turn the stomach of every decent Americans. He's a mobster.

Branson Hunter

Law professors across America are going to love writing bar exams using these matters as hypothetical in written bar exams and multi-state questions. Bar examiners love these convoluted difficult legal questions that concerned corruption, ethics, abuse of power, extortion,

Mike

You're imagining things Fick. There's no smoking gun, there's nothing incriminating and there's nothing omitted. You're hallucinating. It's the Blue Cool-Aid.

Mike

Branson, you didn't finish.

TwoToeJoe

Sadly, neither LtCol Vindman nor Congress sets foreign policy. Last time I checked I believe the President is tasked with the constitutional authority to determine foreign policy. “I did not think it was proper…” is pure opinion, not fact. If it is improper to ask a foreign government to investigate a U.S. citizen it would be a big surprise to many in government. There is absolutely nothing wrong with asking foreign heads of state or intelligence officials to cooperate with an official Justice Department investigations. Bob Mueller did it. For two years we were told by Trump’s critics that the president was “working on behalf of the Russians” and had committed “treasonous” acts that were of “a size and scope probably beyond Watergate.” Those were serious accusations and Americans took them seriously. We waited for special counsel Robert Mueller to tell us whether our president had indeed betrayed the country. When Mueller issued his report laden with foreign government assistance we found out that none of the Trump-Russia collusion-conspiracy theories were true. There is nothing improper or illegal about asking for investigations into potential illegal actions. President Trump’s critics are now complaining that he asked the Australian prime minister to cooperate with the Justice Department’s investigation into the origins of the Mueller probe and that Attorney General William Barr has traveled overseas to ask foreign intelligence officials to cooperate with that investigation. The New York Times called it another example of “the president using high-level diplomacy to advance his personal political interests". Neither the military nor the State Department makes foreign policy. They implement and follow the policies of the administration. They provide opinion or advice when asked. For some reason we keep hearing about Col. Vindman’s valor and patriotism. I don’t doubt that he’s a super swell guy but Vindman may have violated the federal leaking statute 18 USC 798 when he shared the president’s classified call with several other operatives. Vindman also admitted during testimony that he tampered with and tried but failed to alter the transcript of President Trump’s call to the Ukrainian President. Shame on him. Joe Biden does not get a pass from investigations just because he is candidate for the nomination of his party and hopefully the new Senate investigations will expose his corruption. As we watch the "bombshells" of cherry picked testimony of opinions in the Ukraine impeachment inquiry pile up and continue to underwhelm Democrats and their allies in the media have seized upon a new tactic. The old archaic term “quid pro quo,” is about to go the way of the Dodo. In its place terms like“extortion” and “bribery” will fly around like hot air balloons in California wine country. Totally fabricated falsehoods directed at those who feed upon the dribble. Some left-leaning media outlets have attempted the claim that the transcript has omissions and is not accurate. The whole impeachment inquiry has had tremendous struggles starting with the original so called "whistleblower" who was not actually a "whistleblower" but a political hack armed with "second hand" information and a "coup by any means necessary" attorney. The renowned Adam Schiff who has been falsely claiming that he had evidence of Trump’s treasonous collusion with Russia for two years now does not want the truth behind his new "fabricated truth" exposed. His whole house of cards will fall just like the other hoaxes he has been involved in.

Branson Hunter

Two Toes, pull the curtain and face reality. NBC reported this morning that testimony reveals Putin is shaplng Trump's decisions in the Ukraine. Can you try and be more objective?

mischabi

NBC.. Of course! Your post will not age well.. lol

Branson Hunter

And by the way Mike, attorney general Barr refuses to back Trump that the conversation was legal. Barr declined holding a press conference directed by Trump that there was nothing illegal about that call. Barr understands it cannot be defended.

Mike

@ Spin Master Branson:

So, it must be true if NBC reported it, right? And how do you know what Barr is freaking thinking? He hasn’t said a thing.

TwoToeJoe

Yes Branson, NBC/MSNBC would never gaslight or embellish their news stories. Right?

TwoToeJoe

Besides Branson I was thoroughly objective. Funny how you wish the discussion be directed in another direction. Sorry you could not respond objectively!

BBB

The American Bar Association Journal picked up the report of Barr declining Trump's request for cover on the Ukraine fiasco. I imagine the folks at the ABA Journal know a thing or two about libel.

TwoToeJoe

I too imagine the folks at the ABA Journal know a thing or two about libel. Key words used to prevent libel were "reportedly" and referencing the 'Washington Post" as the source of the information and it's reliance on "anonymous sources".

"Barr REPORTEDLY refused to announce that Trump broke no laws in Ukraine matter"

Officials REPORTEDLY told Attorney General William Barr that President Donald Trump wanted him to hold a press conference to declare that the president broke no laws when he asked the Ukrainian president to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son. Barr is said to have turned down the request, though the Justice Department did say the conversation did not violate campaign finance laws. The WASHINGTON POST broke the story, which relies on ANONYMOUS sources.

Obviously the Washington Post has learned a thing or two about libel also since publishing the false Nicholas Sandmann stories and now heavily relies on carefully crafted words such as "reportedly" and "anonymous sources" when facts are not available.

horsehouse

It is true that the president sets foreign policy, but it seems reasonable to question whether the president is following the law. The list of long term diplomats coming forward to say they see something wrong, while the president and his supporters say everything was perfect ultimately boils down to someone either doesn’t understand legal foreign policy or a bunch of people are lying. Cable opinion is biased no matter what side you stand on. We should be able to judge for ourselves once we hear directly from the mouths of all the participants. The president does come under special suspicion with his long history of abuse of power in the business world that the courts confirmed, penalized him financially for his behavior and forbidden him from returning to some of his past activities in the future. It is not surprising that the writer of the letter thinks of the Mafia. I think of Putin as a Mafia type strongman boss of his country.

bill jenkins

i've been waiting for the Flip Wilson defense to pop up, "the devil made me do it"

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Branson Hunter

Two toes and Mike, it's all in the transcripts. TT, libel is a civil action. It is a Private Matter. Nonetheless truth is an absolute defense and succeeding in a libelous actions against a very public figure is weighed against the First Amendment. The First Amendment usually wins.

Mike

“The president, while acting like a mob boss, threatened the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine when she didn’t “play ball” by allowing Guiliani and friends to get their hands on Ukrainian gas money.” – Totally absurd Stephen. Where do you get this stuff?

Mike

“…how dare anyone, especially those who have never served, smear the honor of one who has?” – Says Stephen as he proceeds to smear the honor of the Commander In Chief. Go figure!

bill jenkins

the commander in chief is a draft dodger!

Mike

“…he thanks the Russians before thanking our troops in the raid to kill or capture Al Bhagdahi.” – The spin is dizzying, Stephen. Stop a minute and find your bearings, dude!

TwoToeJoe

Gee Branson, if it is "all in the transcripts" why would David be claiming it is not the "complete phone call transcription"? Try telling David it "is all in the transcripts" not me. If you are concerned about "libel being a civil action" and a "private matter" you should have addressed it towards the one who placed "libel" in this discussion in the first place instead of my response. Yet you claim I should "try and be more objective".

Mike

“…add this to the Mueller report, and its alleged Russian conspiracy…” - Mueller found no conspiracy. He says so in his report, you can read it on line.

bill jenkins

the trump campaign shared detailed polling data with the ruskies, how is that not

conspriritrial?

Mike

“…rape and sexual assault…” – Here is where you should have used the term “alleged”, Stephen.

Mike

“…payments to porn stars and models…” – “oh my”

BFD, he was a young man with more money than God. Give it a rest, eh?

Blayd

Besides...Donald tRump hasn't got the brains or finesse to be a mob boss.

Branson Hunter

TT those transcripts include key witnesses of respected career diplomats and ambassadors. I am not talking about that fraudulent transcript that trumps presented to Americans. You were being a bit condescending and disingenuous. I had hoped we were beyond that.

TwoToeJoe

No Branson. It is you that is being "condescending and disingenuous". You can never move beyond that. But then again if you were concerned about anyone's "condescending and disingenuous" remarks you could have started with Stephen J. Bost's letter. I love the way you do the dance and make excuses to avoid any "objectivity" in your effort to change the subject towards your comfort zone in your responses.

Mike

More Users Swearing Off Blue Cool-Aid As They See Ultimate Harm.

Because of his unprecedented number of achievements, Trump will be elected again, this time in a popular vote landslide.

And, American History will record the 2019 attempted impeachment of our 45th President as a failed coup orchestrated by corrupt bureaucrats in an effort to maintain control of a self serving portion of government known as The Swamp and to prevent it from being drained.

Mike

LOL

Mike

“…succeeding in libelous actions against a very public figure is weighed against the First Amendment. The First Amendment usually wins.” – Well, you’ve thoroughly confused the peanut gallery with that one, Mr. Legal Eagle.

Branson Hunter

I thought I would share this: " He was never completely unhinged... The trip from where he was, to unhinged, as he is now, that was not a long trip." - a former Trump official (Atlantic)

bill jenkins

i hope everyone realizes if this travesty gets swept under the rug all future presidents

are free to extort, for personal reasons, any foreign leader he or she likes.

Branson Hunter

... Stating my opinion based on verifiable facts Mike. You two are resorting back to personal attacks. Nobody cares about that. Defend your president Mike and TT!

TwoToeJoe

I understand now Branson. You can state that I am "condescending and disingenuous" but when I refer to you as "condescending and disingenuous" it is considered to be a "personal attack". All you had to do was defend yourself and state that you never rely on condesending or disingenious statements in these discussions. I will say again that I love the way you do the dance and make excuses to avoid any "objectivity" in your effort to change the subject. I understand your "opinions" are always based on "verifiable facts " and should never should be disputed.

Branson Hunter

TT nobody cares about bickering. Will you speak to this?: Microsoft News Daily presidential tracking poll 11/10/19: "Do you believe that the country is headed in the right direction or the wrong direction?" 29% say right direction. 64% saying wrong direction.

Live4ktm

The president has added a lot of jobs, just not in the way we thought it was going to happen. Here are some of the new "jobs" were told have been added:

"Today, there are 109 Unicor prison factories, supplying an array of goods to the DOD, DOJ, USPS, and others. However, the recent push to bring manufacturing jobs back to the US has opened up opportunities for private sector to dip into the outrageously affordable labor pool, which is paid well below minimum wage—as little as $0.23 per hour in some cases."

https://www.thrillist.com/gear/products-made-by-prisoners-clothing-furniture-electronics

You have to admit that paying an inmate (whose income often pays damages claimed by their victims - albeit at a very slow rate given the extremely low wages) as opposed to paying an over-worked person from another country is preferable.

TwoToeJoe

Sounds terrible. I definitely would choose a more profitable career!

Josh

ALL politicians act like mob bosses. From the yucca Valley town council to the senate to the white house.

Republi-cons to Dema-crooks , tea baggers and any other political party affiliation I didn't mention.

We are tricked into thinking we are voting for the best and we get the scum of the earth.

The beat goes on .

Branson Hunter

Hi Josh welcome to the discussion.

Mike

Now there's an optimistic point of view.

Mike

Stephen:

“For those of us who have served our country in the military, how dare anyone, especially those who have never served, smear the honor of one who has?” - Are you a Veteran? The clowns with whom you associate yourself are interrupting the President’s Veterans Day presentation as we speak. You have some pretty classy friends there, dude.

bill jenkins

the only reason he's a hero is because he got captured.

BBB

Yeah, Trump loves vets so much he couldn't drag his corpulent backside out in the rain to visit the graves of the fallen in Normandy. Your boy is a real prince.

Mike

Open letter to all Vets... THANKS!

horsehouse

We agree on something, Mike!!! Yes, Thank you Vets not only today but everyday for all you have done to protect our country.

Mike

Are you a service veteran Bill?

bill jenkins

if you mean me, yes.

bill jenkins

by the way why do you ask?

Branson Hunter

How many Americans are serving in Legacy Wars?

Comment deleted.
BBB

Sorry Mike, should of used fair-haired boy. No familial or racial slight intended.

Branson Hunter

Answer: The long tradition of releasing those figures has been discontinued by this Administration.

Josh

Trump Accuser Alex Vindman To Be Charged As A Spy

Lt. Col Alexander Vindman gave testimony against President Trump, claiming that that there was indeed a quid, a pro, and a quo involved in Trump’s now famous phone call to the Ukraine. This seemed damning until it was revealed that Vindman was not an American, but a Ukrainian immigrant , and was therefore likely a double agent.

The accusation was met with anger from the left. Harsh words flew at the White House saying that it was deplorable to say such things about a war hero, but now, once again, the President has been vindicated. Alexander Vindman will be tried as a spy.

Copy and pasted from Snopes

horsehouse

Read down two sections in the Snopes review and you see that the information came from a website known for satire. They further say that if you believe it is real you should have your head examined. I’m going to assume that Josh is getting a chuckle too.

BBB

Not sure Josh has developed a sense of humor.

Josh

Josh doesn't like it when you speak about him in the 3rd party from the 4th dimension.

BBB

Seems Mongo from Blazing Saddles learned to use a computer....

Branson Hunter

Longtime associate and Trump hinchman, Rodger Stone, convicted today of seven counts of lying to Congress. Seems everybody cued up behind Trump is a Cryptid lying

Branson Hunter

...cult follower.

Branson Hunter

Huh it's hard to know who to believe... The coreer diplomats testifying under oath or the hand-plcked political cronies who blew off their subpoenas.

Josh

Apparently Keep it Clean. Please avoid obscene, vulgar, lewd, racist or sexually-oriented language.

PLEASE TURN OFF YOUR CAPS LOCK.

Don't Threaten. Threats of harming another person will not be tolerated.

Be Truthful. Don't knowingly lie about anyone or anything.

Be Nice. No racism, sexism or any sort of -ism that is degrading to another person.............

Excuse me while I go find a Big Barf Bag .

horsehouse

Good comment, but your last line rather negated the desire for quality discourse a bit. I agree that there is lots of bashing in these comments and maybe we can all try to state positions without demeaning someone else’s thinking. Try it, you may like it (being kind) everyone.

Mike

An Ode to Branson and Mike

"You're a stup** jer*" - "I know you are but what am I?" - "Shut up stup**!" - "Try and make me." - "You're a stup**..." - "No, you are..." - "No, you are..." ...............

Branson Hunter

Let's put a little perspective on this. This morning we find that after Trump visited Louisiana three times in five weeks to support a republican governor in a runoff, the Republican Governor lost.

mischabi

Ever hear of voter fraud. Why is it both Kentucky and Louisiana both voted red clear accross the board but when it came to governorship they reverted to blue?

Why was my perfect vote here not counted? Ohh I followed up and a month after the midterms my vote had NOT been counted!

Branson Hunter

Early results coming in does not look good for Trump. His party has been losing. Now we got M foisting a conspiracy theory that the election was bogus. Wow?

Branson Hunter

... the Republican candidate for governor lost. This only gives rise to the issue is the president in trouble wish across-the-board voters?

Mike

bill jenkins Nov 9, 2019 10:56am

“i've been waiting for the Flip Wilson defense to pop up, "the devil made me do it"

Wow, you’re pretty old, eh?

bill jenkins Nov 10, 2019 9:38am

“the commander in chief is a draft dodger!”

Jenkins, you repeatedly claim that Trump is a draft dodger. You’re claim is not factual. It is merely a subjective opinion used ad nauseam as hateful disparagement by you and your co-conspirators to support you’re destructive “Never Trump” agenda.

You would like everyone to believe that young Donald Trump’s deferment request, 50 some years ago, was not legit even though the draft board approved it.

The irony, of course, is that we finally did draft this fellow and now he is the Chief to whom America’s highest ranking Military Officers all report.

I find that humorous!

bill jenkins Nov 10, 2019 9:50am

“the trump campaign shared detailed polling data with the ruskies, how is that not conspriritrial?”

Lol… your wild statement is as creative as your bastardization of conspiratorial.

bill jenkins Nov 10, 2019 11:25am

“i hope everyone realizes if this travesty gets swept under the rug all future presidents are free to extort, for personal reasons, any foreign leader he or she likes.”

Extortion of foreign leaders be damned. I only hope everyone realizes if this travesty is successful, all future presidents will suffer the same abuse as this one.

I hope we all realizes that if this ridiculous third world like coup is successful we will then have a reliable road map EVERY disgruntled political party WILL follow to the expedited impeachment of ALL future Presidents.

“Be careful what you wish for, you might get it” - “What goes around comes around!”, Duh!

bill jenkins Nov 11, 2019 9:16am

“the only reason he's a hero is because he got captured.”

That’s certainly wasn’t a very nice thing for Trump to say!!! But it is true isn’t it?

bill jenkins Nov 12, 2019 12:10pm

if you mean me, yes.

Thank you!

bill jenkins

a true trump toady. by the way i also asked why you asked.

Mike

No I’m not a Trump “toady”.

Just a mouthy patriot, thoroughly disgusted with what the spineless, mindless, radical left is doing to the America I know and love. Seems to me that not knowing the difference speaks volumes about how little value some place on liberty.

I asked if you were a vet simply so I could thank you if you were. And I did, see above.

bill jenkins

mike i'm a decorated combat veteran of the korean war, does that make me a non patriot?

mischabi

I second that. And I'm sure in the next few weeks our eyes will grow wider as the facts come out in the wash. The truth will prevail. All of you accepting what the left is doing, starting with allowing pedophilia and these disgusting elite with their human trafficking. It's all coming out for everyone to see. Mike is 100% right! Mark my words.

Mike

Don't know why it should, Bill. Why do you ask?

bill jenkins

you called me a spineless mindless radical lefty.

mischabi

Please do not be offended. That's exactly what I've been all my life. I even had a really strong dislike for Trump. And whether he called you that, or not, he's right, you can start looking somewhere else for information because you are being used, and when you find out the truth, boy! you're going to be pi**ed!

bill jenkins

i don't understand your post. what exactly do you mean?

Mike

I didn’t. I was careful mot to!

Branson Hunter

Today's news, Rudy giuliani's 31 year old son, Andrew Giuliani, has a coveted job in the white house as director in the office of public liaison. Huh...

TwoToeJoe

It is so sad isn't it. If Andrew had the right connections he could be sitting on the Barisma Board and raking in a cool $600,000 a year part time instead of a back room full time job that pays only $90,700 a year for the past two years. So much for "today's news" and "coveted"!

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